The devil you can see is not so much a problem as the devil which you cant see, but yet is very active. They knew this. What is so important about the KJV being a translation from the Textus Receptus (received text)??? This is a famous variant in the mss, but Codex Sinaiticus attests compassion, not anger. Did the Ancient Israelites Think Children Were People. These are the manuscripts on which Westcott and Hort and the modern versions rely so heavily. I find it amazing that you all believe in this nonsense. It dismays me, sincerely. So I suppose by repeating only one of Boltons amateurish mistakes, BAR is making progress. The massacres are implied in Revelation, so this was written by John shortly afterwards, before Jerusalem fell to the Roman army.. The King James and Tischendorf? But just to make sure, here's a comparison of both texts to the contents of Revelation 22:10-21 as printed in the Tyndale House edition of the Greek New Testament: . I dont know the history in exact of my great grand parents,how would we know ever about 400 generations ago. CB I had to laugh as I was thinking nearly the same thing when I read you post. These manuscripts agree together 95% of the time. These two facts should be enough to get your mind thinking whether you have made a right judgement in your comment proving anything Godly about Christianity is bogus If memory serves me, it was a book about women christian martyrs. ; it is a blessing there are such early ones. It was discovered in the 19th century, surpassing Vaticanus as the most complete manuscript. Why dont you do another article comparing all the similarities of the CS with other early manuscripts? It is known by other names, such as the Traditional Text, Majority Text, Byzantine Text, or Syrian Text. Versions of the bible that are forever under scrutiny?. These . A translator that believes can be biased by his believes. Nevertheless, for many readers and contributors to this forum, there are things in that entry which they might not agree with; others might not bat an eye. It ought to be a foregone conclusion, then, that Sinaiticus has a better text of Revelation 22:10-21 than the Textus Receptus has. think ian mportant thought, before general literacy the spoken word was all one had and the idea of quoting a past remark was not part of the culture. Mark 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. Thanks. Is it? I read it for the prose. Much like all of the centuries of deception by the Roman Catholic Church that have come to light in the recent years of the forgeries and lies to obtain power over the people. Several corrections are needed to this post. Your email address will not be published. Codex Sinaiticus, also known as "Aleph" (the Hebrew letter ), was found by Count Tischendorf in 1859 at the Monastery of St Catherine on Mount Sinai. Codex Bezae is the lone Greek manuscript that reads orgistheis (angry or indignant) there, probably because the Greek text of Codex D at this point is a retro-translation of a flawed Latin attempt to render the Greek word for moved-in-the-guts.. May a non-Christian, nonJewish reader of no particular faith point out that you would seem a much greater tribute to your respective Catholic and Protestant faiths were you to behave with more charity to each other and, with good will, attempt to dissipate all odium theologicum, replacing it with a more expansive spirit of brotherly/sisterly love and respect? See Dr Bill Cooper PhD, ThD, The Forging of the Codex Sinaiticus and New Testament Fragments. Please respond if youre interested. These all have been traced (by liberal and conservative scholars alike) to a probable source in Alexandria, Egypt, in the 2nd or 3rd century. Unlike the KJV. Revelation and discernment of all things spiritual are given to those who seek with all of their heart, mind and soul. Many of the larger monasteries had a scriptorium in which the production of new manuscripts was constant. In my own experience, for over thirty years, when I have raised the question of what is the correct Greek text of the New Testament, regardless of audience, the usual response has been: What difference does it make? The purpose of this article is to answer that question, at least in part. (APPENDIX II, A COMPARISON BETWEEN SIX MAJOR BIBLE VERSIONS, VOLUME II, UNHOLY HANDS ON THE BIBLE. Whether Marks gospel is more definitive or not would be a moot issue if it was written as a subsequent addition to Johns. Is it not because of these negatives that the world is so rotten as it is? If we speak of provenance in an art museum, we know where the picture has been since it was painted by the artist. Sinaiticus has 9000 passages differently than Textus Receptus. 4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. Actually Mark and other gospels is written after the death of Peter and Paul. The All-Access membership pass is the way to get to know the Bible through biblical archaeology. Loved reading and learning from your article. Below, see a visual comparison of these and other differences between the King James Version and Codex Sinaiticus. Who has bound the waters in His garments? Now do this over 5 days for 1 to 3 hours a day and see how much you remember, at the end from the first, second etc days tslks. They did not rely on it because they knew it was not reliable. Codex Sinaiticus says that Jesus was moved with compassion in Mark 1:41. Any organization that uses the KJV as a baseline English translation for textual criticism can safely be dismissed by anyone looking to take this topic seriously. And presto, what do we have today? However, Sinaiticus itself is not relevant, since the evidence is very strong that it was produced in the 1800s, which is why it is in such incredible flexible, supple condition, and the Leipzig pages are white parchment, contra the chemistry of parchment aging.. Codex Sinaiticus Authenticity Research Since then, many editions of the Greek New Testament have been published. They had Jesus , no need even if they could have, to commit what was being said to memory. Have a look at Proverbs 30:4 No one was copying the thought in ant way, it now was a part of each hearers memory and as such will be changed a bit by each hearer. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Each will find their own way. Additionally, Mark 1:1 in the original hand omits reference to Jesus as the Son of God.. Corrupt Path - The ' Minority Text' consists of only 5% of existing manuscripts. Through this codex, the R.V. Scholars in favor of the critical text of the bible, view the Codex Sinaiticus to be one of the greatest Greek texts of the New Testament and the codex is a celebrated historical treasure by many modern scholars, along with that of the Codex Vaticanus. and unbelief is under Satan, who does not allow the truth and Nowhere does the OT say; He was with God in the beginning. Required fields are marked *. Being the oldest and best makes Rome correct in their belief. One of Jesus disciples had been such a zealot. If anyone is interested, a good place to start is the work of Dr Cooper. For the benefit of all who may have been following the discussion pertinent to the period of the Judges relevant to Acts 13:20 you will recall that The Codex Vaticanus and the Codex Sinaiticus were held up as being the correct scriptures to follow when considering the correct understanding of Acts 13:20. Some modern versions of the New Testament, based primarily on the Alexandrian Text, have drawn many readings into question even though the readings are affirmed in ancient patristic compositions and are supported by the overwhelming majority of manuscripts. We can learn about the society where the ancient Israelites, and later Jesus and the Apostles, lived through the modern discoveries that provide us clues. Silly, utter nonsense spawned by Satans minions. Denominations arise from different nationalities and immigrants bringing their Christian tradition to other countries (We see this in the U.S.) But denominationalism arises from the hypocrisy of Christians who divide based on prideful arguments. We have recently reviewed the biblical texts and corrected any apparent mistakes. The title says it all, and the constant attack on Gods Holy word to us by many. I am so sorry that you do not see the work of GOD in our envroinment , yourself and in people around you. William posts As Rodney King said, Cant we all just get along? Actually at least to me it does seem to be more important to be able to get along than to be right, however right is defined. That is called relativism, a scourge which has infected our culture. Some of them like the Codex have missing pieces, but nothing here significantly alters the Christian gospel. And that was only a few years after it occured. I think the most useful comparisons would be for several of the oldest manuscripts be compared side-by-side to one another, this I think would provide a better understanding of how the KJV has different content compared to the Sinaiticus. Initially making a name for himself editing the Codex Bezae Cantabrigiensis, Scrivener edited several editions of the New Testament and collated the Codex Sinaiticus with the Textus Receptus. Interpretation is of God also. Pilate was used to trouble makers in Judea and he saw and heard a lot of phony messiahs, and many of those were armed to the teeth to try and get rid of Romes power base in Judea. Until you have a personal experience of being filled with the Holy Spirit, you cannot see the truth. After 10 minutes of conversation see who remembers exactly what was said 8 minutes ago. Denominationalism must be blamed on our own selfish ambitions and vain conceit as Paul describes in Philippians 2.3, when we ignore Scripture as many Christians often do. But I can tell you this; I use the King James Bible because 99% of all the manuscript evidence supports the Textus Receptus that underlies it. Much modern textual scholarship will be undermined and further investigations into the motives of the people involved will be needed. Sinaiticus and Vaticanus disagree with one another in more than 3,000 places in the four Gospels alone! If not, then the art critics interpretation is, From a Byzantine priority (Traditional Christian Church Textus Receptus reading) perspective, the Washingtonianus manuscript and the other early Alexandrian Uncials testify in favor of the early and consistent underlying text found within the Majority of Greek New Testament manuscripts. -> Proverbs 8:22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Jesus would be ashamed that believers still foment hatred toward His holy Church. Where can we find proof of the existence of God? I bless you in the Name of the Father, the SON and the HOLY Spirit. Rome couldnt get rid of all the Bibles which were being mass produced by the protestors the heretics as Rome branded them, so after a time they got busy by subversion and decided it would suit their purpose better if they worked to alter the Text of the Bible from within. Codex Vaticanus, gathering dust in the Vatican library since the 1500s and Codex Sinaiticus, rescued from a trash can in St. Catherines monasteryused by Westcott and Hort to rewrite the KJV. See the works of Dr.Ivan Panin on internet concerning this and other issues.. BAS seems to use the Codex when it suits the notion that Yeshua was not the Son of God. For those who wish to expand their knowledge of Bible versions and what is missing, and more importantly why, I suggest you watch the attached Walter Veith videos on youtube as a starting point. This cannot be an unblemished codex. Hardly. Sign up to receive our email newsletter and never miss an update. This modified version from 1885 has the name "Revised Version". For obvious reasons, the Textus Receptus is also referred to as the "Majority Text" since the majority (95% or more) of existing manuscripts support this reading. check out this documentary by Abduhla Films called Bridge To Babylon Your email address will not be published. There also was the first letter to the Corinthian church which described resurrection appearances and so on..And there are numerous modern scholars (agnostic, Christian, not Christianapparently also Jewish) who assert that belief in the physical resurrection rose up within the church immediately. I am still looking into this. Thanks in advance. The only Greek manuscript with that reading is the bilingual Codex Bezae (D/05) from the V century. Robert, i too recently read the kj for the first time starting in may. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200270815, BAR, you are supposed to be a scholarly magazine. God works in, with and through fallen human beings, even when the errors/sins are most glaring. The English translation of the Textus Receptus: But some of them were men from Cyprus and Cyrene, who, when they had come to Antioch, spoke to the Hellenists, preaching the Lord . Verse Analysis Compares the 1550 Stephanus Textus Receptus with the King James Bible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukRCVDmiAts. I suggest you read the Gospels with an open mind, and simply ask God, if he exists, to reveal himself to you. I will always prefer the KJV with all its faults. After a cursory review, I count eight mistakes in this little article. The case of using the Dead Sea Scrolls to modify the Masoretic text is no different. The sound foundation built by seeking knowledge and wisdom come from meditating on the word day and night and then is still a spiritual revelation of the truth of God. They are both written on parchment, and have a large number of corrections written over the original text. However, the two authoritative fourth-century Greek manuscriptsCodex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanusboth end with Mark 16:8. This is old news for many. The English translation was not translated from the Codex, but evidently copy-pasted from some English version of the Bible and mapped onto the verse numbers in the CS. From the epistles we find the basic Christian beliefs: Christ is the Son of God and His resurrection etc. Textus Receptus (Latin: "received text") refers to all printed editions of the Greek New Testament from Erasmus's Novum Instrumentum omne (1516) to the 1633 Elzevir edition. Ancient manuscripts? I concur. The above article barely scratches the surface of the difference between the King James Version Bible (based on Textus Receptus) and Codex Sinaiticus. there is evidence of textual tampering, attempts at artificially aging the manuscript, and alleged bookworm tracks that start in the middle of the page. Unless I am mistaken, I have not seen the book of Daniel in the codex sinaticus. In discussion of this codex it is discribed as perhaps the third oldest, but probably has better provenance than the other two. Also, in Matthew 6:13, Codex Sinaiticus ends the Lords Prayer with the phrase but deliver us from [the] evil [one] (which is omitted above), but the doxology (for thine is the kingdom) is absent. This is history. As Rodney King said, Cant we all just get along? Actually at least to me it does seem to be more important to be able to get along than to be right, however right is defined. One such scholar is Jason David BeDuhn, associate professor of religious studies at Northern Arizona University in the United States. delivered over to death, that they may return to the truth and sin That is why the copying of Bible manuscripts was such a big business. Go read the 18th chapter. For example, the resurrection narrative at the end of Mark (16:920) is absent from the Codex Sinaiticus. What I think is significant is that the basic message of the bible hasnt changed regardless of which Greek manuscript is used for translation into English. Just a thought, but if the Sinai Bible was a fourth century record of the New Testament, and the modern canon came about under Athanasius at around 390AD, then doesnt it suggest that a lot of our modern Bible was filled in by the likes of Athanasius late in the fourth century, just before the text was canonized. Better read Revelation 22:18 Little doubts often repeated become entrenched in the mind and eventually produce either a serious warning, or a platform for lies. However, this addition does not appear in the oldest Greek manuscripts. THE WORD OF OUR GOD ENDURES FOREVER There were several English translations published long before the KJV; to wit, Coverdale bible (1535), Matthews bible, (1537) The Great bible, (1539) Geneva Bible, (1560) Bishops Bible, (1568), et al. Amen (Matthew 6:13). Set it in stone rag. BTW, the Pericope de Adultera (John 8:1 ff) was preserved in the Western canon for a thousand years before it was introduced to the Greek and Syriac canons. I followed mostly Buddhism and Hinduism among other philosophies, because I found them to be helpful and peaceful. Of course, the implications of this, if true, are monumental. The woman caught in adultery (John 7:53-8:11) King James Version Ignorance is one thing and may be forgiven, but a careless approach or deliberate twisting is another. That is, assuming they existed.. How is it that these ancient manuscripts lay forgotten (Siniaticus) or ignored (Vaticanus) for 1500 years or more? It appears in the Greek Codex Alexandrinus of the fifth century, the Latin Vulgate, and elsewhere. All ready for the next generation of innocent and naive seekers for truth. It is a very important manuscript. Thank you. We wont,we will always make asumptions based in what we have and might never been correct. Codex Sinaiticus was discovered by Constantin von Tischendorf, a German evolutionist theologian, at St. Catherine's Monastery at Mount Sinai. Modern scholarship generally holds that Mark is in fact the oldest of the Synoptic Gospels, which could cause theological concerns over the omitted resurrection. But it seems quite okay and acceptable if we put our own spin on Gods word. The King James Version is taken from the Textus Receptus while the American Standard Version is taken from the Critical Text. The Textus Receptus is the text that has been used for 2,000 years by Christians. What does it say? I prefer to accept the word of God by faith, the same way we attain salvation. the Minority Texts (primarily the Westcott and Hort Greek Text, based primarily on the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus). As for the resurrection in Mark or not in Mark versus Sinaiticus..I think there are endless debates over the Long Ending and the Short Ending of Mark, with scholars evenly divided in their views. Most of the epistles are written before the gospels. The Textus Receptus always has the evidence on its side. Hes giving me understanding of things Ive ask him Just like in the 1800s , Europe saw an infiltration into the Seminaries and Colleges by Romes agents to weaken Protestant influence for the ensuing generations and swing them back to Rome (still going on today folks), so too the work of W&H in the late 1800s brought a major shift in the thinking about how scholars should or could go about their work of translation of Scripture. Ive known for a long time these differences existed, I just have never been able to figure out how these differences came to be.
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