What I wonder is how they differ in their caloric content (energy content). $79.99: 45 wks ago: Notify: Midway: CCI Large Rifle 7.62mm NATO-Spec Military Primers 34. The following loads are with 41.2 grains of VVN 540, which Primer with Highest ES/SD: Remington 9 M Magnum (47/14.0 fps) Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. Rated 4.80 out of 5 $ 105.00. In Winchester testing labs, primers are constantly and rigorously tested for consistency and sensitivity at temperatures and conditions far beyond the range of normal usage. Therefore choose based on other factors, such as accuracy, low ES/SD, cost, cup hardness . borrowed. Proud Member Of The NRA. 547 0 obj <>stream Lots of people had good luck with them. The first bit of useful trivia is that even though Small Rifle and Small Pistol primer pockets share the same depth specification, Large Rifle and Large Pistol primers do not. Three shot groups. Free Shipping Eligible! At minimum load a handful of reduced loads with a new primer. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. Results are much closer than with the LR primers and again there was a surprise winner (CBC Magtech 7 1/2). 100. .2232, 16 CCI 300 LP 3.18 His varmint bullets are absolutely fantastic. 300 | 1,000 Count $ 42.99. Compare Compare Now. My Components; My Loading Data; All User Loading Data; Components . Warning: Some published data calls for Large Rifle primers, though this brass was designed for, and most data is for Large Pistol primers. V361617. #34 and #41 are military primer designations for large and small rifle primers, respectively. One of the frozen rounds with the CCI BR 2 hang fired. $7.99. Three shot groups. CCI #250 Large Rifle Magnum Primers (1000) Rated 5.00 out of 5 $ 95.00. 14 Likes. Here are the results of a test done to determine the brisance of primers. Remington 7 - The only primer specifically marketed by Remington as "benchrest" quality. Three shot groups. 0000004445 00000 n I know everyone has a favorite, and although theyre really tough to get, I would really liked to see the Wolf LR-M in that mix. Federal Large Rifle Magnum #215M Gold Medal Match Primers | 1,000 Count. 506 42 Buy in store-Limit 2. You are using an out of date browser. Buy Reloading > Components > Primers - Gun City are the leading firearms experts in New Zealand. Closed the bolt and off she went. Thanks OP for posting. Three shot groups. Store For Availability. 10.3x60mm Rimmed LR Swiss 10mm Auto LP 11x59mm Rimmed LR French Gras 43 Mauser 17 Hornet SR Also, though I did not retain the article, some years ago I recall an article in Shooting Times that addressed the hotness of primers. CCI primers offer the reloader clean, reliable ignition. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. ALL Bulletin content is copyrighted, 2023 AccurateShooter.com. 41 - Small Military Rifle Primers | 1,000 Count $ 119.99 $ 99.99. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I found this a while back but it seems it goes against the Win primers being hotter than the CCI. Lyman & Nosler classify this as a standard primer, but Hornady, Handloads.com, and Chuck Hawks classify it as a small rifle magnum primer. A final part of the test took a small number of the best performers and ran them in my primary 155.5gn Berger BT Fullbore / IMR-8208 XBR load without the MagnetoSpeed on to see what they did to groups without a load-retune against my usual CCI-BR4 load and to see if they would cope OK with 60,000 psi pressure. JavaScript is disabled. Out of stock. %PDF-1.4 % Both for 6.5 CM. Quest for Less Vertical Six Primer Types Tested at 500 Yards, Vertical Dispersion Test Six Primer Types Tested at 500 Yards, Primer Availability Report Wolf Primers Have Arrived, Primer Comparison Testing with 6 BRA at 500 Yards. RockyRaab, the only difference between their list and yours is that they list CCI BR4 and CCI 400 as hotter than FED 200. On the other hand, if some of the primers that gave poorer results in your testing with a specific .308 load gave much better results with a different cartridge/powder/bullet weight, it would be much more difficult to make any general predictions that might allow a reloader to keep a stock of only two or three types on hand, one of which would be likely to give satisfactory results over a wide range of cartridges and powders. Rifle cartridges 5,652 R and cal. 41 Rifle Primers - 100 Count. I wish I had the original range data, but it's long gone. Found this from offsite search, exactly the information I need. Holland, a talented shooter from the UK, tested no less than sixteen (16) different large primer types using a custom F-TR target rifle shot from the bench. 50 BMG (BMG) CCI - No.35. Dev. Take them with a grain of salt and as a guide only. Freedom Is Never Free. Some of Lauries results may surprise you. 0000053794 00000 n By The Copper Pill. This is more visual and tells a good story too. use the Brisance chart to adjust the powder charge to a safe level. Firing pin strength also seems to be a definite factor. 0000001395 00000 n It has always been my impression that low ES/SD correspond to optimized combustion; that is to say when the primer, cartridge volume (pressure cell), powder charge, were all optimized to give optimal combustion for a given bullet weight. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Despite the nomenclature, this primer is appropriate for some extremely high pressure pistol cartridges, such as the .221 Fireball and the .357 Maximum. Primer cup dimensions are controlled to .0001", and the priming mix is specially formulated for consistent ignition with a wide variety of powder types. endstream endobj 2830 0 obj <. #4. well in this rifle before, and we did the same with VVN 540, as it is supposed Another thing that is not in this test, but I have noted, is using a newsprint wad over the primer. SP = Small Pistol . Rifle primers use tougher cups than pistol primers because the firing pin blow of rifles is usually harder than the firing pin blow . Out of stock. $7.99. The following are with 95 H 5010. What is the pressure of a .44mag? However, if the trends among the primers you tested hold true across a wide variety of different powders and cartridges, it would greatly facilitate selecting a small number of different primers to keep on hand to test in the event that the first choice was unsatisfactory. Store For Availability. In other words, the steps were small indeed. This is a great post and definitely deserves a sticky in the reloading section, Thanks for posting. Cameron. Thank you, Fishing Bait Chart; Hunting Camo Patterns; Guns. July 9, 2018. once fired Weatherby brass and the Sierra 190-grain Match King bullet, molly This is likely a matter of conjecture. That is how I came up with the results. You will have match. Primer Testing Reference. The following are with 80 grains of VVN 165, same bullet Product Details. Yeah yeah yeah, and matchkings won't kill a deer. Rifle Calibers; Rifle Recoil Table; Handgun Caliber Chart; Handgun Recoil Chart; Caliber Comparisons; Ammo Size Chart; Shot Size Chart; . 338 Lapua size. Thanks for the insight Rocky. Use the .308 Win Palma brass and small primers myself. I hear ya. 0 Rifle Calibers; Rifle Recoil Table; Handgun Caliber Chart; Handgun Recoil Chart; Caliber Comparisons; Ammo Size Chart; Shot Size Chart; . Very good read. Large Rifle 5,3 Boxer: Rifle cartridges 5,652 R and cal. I used the CCI large pistol magnums primers, and they performed just like rifle primers, they didn't peirce, or flatten, ignited the rifle powder just fine. 0000028191 00000 n RWS, CCI BR2, Federal 210M, Federal 210, Federal 215 and Winchester standard and magnum LR primers. Heat of explosion per gram is similar as well. The standard primer types are pistol, pistol magnum, rifle, and rifle magnum. HTH, Dutch. Add to Wishlist. The effects of different primers, normal and magnums, on a load have been discussed many times before. rifle in its original stock, and installed a Leupold 6.5-20X scope in Ruger So what's the difference? Of the others, there WAS a relation between weight and power. I am currently shooting CCI BR2 primers in my .25-06, but feel like I may not be shooting a hot enough primer. This another thing to consider in shooting. $12.99. This is where the similarity ends. Read more. We picked this load because it shot reasonably 5.2-6.5 .4437, 3 CCI 250 LRM 5.66 Compare Compare Now. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. . 0000076375 00000 n Primer Cross Reference Chart 4050 S. Clark St., Mexico, MO 65265 Grafs.com 800-531-2666 CCI Federal Fiocchi Remington Winchester A few were of 50 when limited amounts were available. I did not test the 210M. Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. They used the same hulls, the same powder, powder charge, shot, shot charge, wad, and reloaded them on the same reloader. 40,5. Originally designed for the bolt-action Mosin-Nagant rifle, it was used during the late tsarist era and throughout the Soviet period to the present day. 0000054368 00000 n 0000001157 00000 n chart, http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammo/ammunition_st_mamotaip_200909/, http://www.castingstuff.com/primer_testing_reference.htm. Or a small primer pocket. Fiocchi Large Rifle Primers. 0000027388 00000 n We had to stop our test at this stage, as our TRG-41 got At .020' thick cup metal, these primers are minimal, at best, for light .223 Remington loads. His subsequent usage of Winchester Large Rifle standard lit all his powder. Not that I have found, and why I said "nothing". The following loads were shot in a Remington 700 chambered and brass. Remington says the compound is the same as the 6, but with a thicker cup. 0000077528 00000 n Must add the Federal Dry Bag to your cart, one per order. Federal Gold Medal Large Magnum Rifle Primer - 100 Ct. $9.39. 0000053767 00000 n 506 0 obj <> endobj 0000054298 00000 n We are here to talk about primers. For starters, based on the loads tested, which duplicate maximum published 6.5 Creedmoor loads with the bullets used, large-rifle primers are on average 19.66 percent better than small-rifle . Great OP. . Reloaders know that primers come in various designations: large pistol vs small pistol, large rifle vs small rifle, etc. I use cci 400 for my AR with great success ! The 7.6254mmR is a rimmed rifle cartridge developed by the Russian Empire and introduced as a service cartridge in 1891. Interesting read, thanks! Add to cart. New. They are very similar in their rate of propagation. effects on this. Every serious hand-loader should definitely read the full test results to understand Lauries methodology and get all the details. 0000001584 00000 n 2 Winchester WAALite 37 VihtaVuori N340. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. average of all the 4 groups above it. I noticed they listed James Calhoon in that article. The only primer power chart I have ever seen published was in an NRA American Rifleman article in 1984. 0000000016 00000 n Out-of-Stock. It stands to reason that such cusp cartridges, as I like to call them, would have . were selected and match prepped, all have the same weight. Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. In firearms and artillery, the primer (/ p r a m r /) is the chemical and/or device responsible for initiating the propellant combustion that will push the projectiles out of the gun barrel.. All cases for each group So, the short version is, use the primer recommended in the recipe. 3.7-5.5 .3997, 10 CCI BR2 4.37 *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. And standard primers. 2.7-3.5 .2406, 17 Federal 150 LP 3.11 see how these components would perform under the conditions stated here. It is relative to this set of tests and this tester. Editors Comment: Laurie shot three, 5-shot groups at 100 yards with each primer type. You must log in or register to reply here. Primer sizes can be broken down as follows: Small rifle primers - which are about .175 inches in diameter and .120 inches tall. All the following loads were with the Berger 85 grain Note the spreads. _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', '.accurateshooter.com']); CCI No. And, NO! t!.>%DBvv In part 1 of my Large Rifle Comparison I take a look at each manufacturer's particular primer and give a quick overview. As Slamfire said, the #34 and #41 military hard primers likely will be more constant. Ive since rerun the series with .308 Win Palma brass and small primers. 0000003606 00000 n _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']); Add to Wishlist. Winchester Reloading Large Rifle Magnum Primers. If the brass has a large. %PDF-1.6 % It was also years ago and things may have changed. If you are shooting a 22 Cooper, Hornet, or a Bee, the .020" cup will perform admirably. We have found the Most basic there are large rifle primers. What is the pressure of a .44mag? Within the large rifle primers, I've found the Winchester WLR and Federal 210 to be the hottest, and the Remington 9 to deliver the least heat, with the CCI200 somewhere in between. NOTE: This data is reference only. startxref 0000014925 00000 n way up the neck. we will try it to see how it performs. 0 Get a deck of Remington Playing Cards for $1 with ammo purchase. Since then almost every company has changed their primers. Almost forgot, Saeed has some data too http://www.accuratereloading.com/primer.html, ------------------"it is up to God to judge these terrorists; it is up to us to arrange their meeting" Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, [This message has been edited by R-WEST (edited 02-09-2002).]. hb```,? Remington AmmunitionRemington Large Rifle Magnum Primers #9-1/2M Box of 1000. This may be the most comprehensive and thorough LR primer test ever done. I don't have a link to the site , but 6mmbench rest.com or one of those type sites have extensive pages on standard primers. If you are to use the taller Large Rifle primer, we recommend reaming the primer pocket deeper (.125"-.132"). These include the 308, 25-06 Remington, 300 Weatherby magnum, and finally the I think the BR4 is milder than the CCI 400 primers. Weighing Primers: I did some test weighing and found the bench rest had virtually no variations. CCI 300 STD Large Rifle Primers - 100 Ct. No media assets available for preview. The barrel was 24 inches long. Compare Compare Now. The military imposes specific upper and lower sensitivity limits. It has a Hart barrel #5 and a For example, would you guess that Sellier & Bellot primers had the lowest ES, by a significant margin? I am keen to understand how the Sellior and Bellots went ,not sure on some of the abbreviations.Sellior and bellot are becoming quite common place in Australia,though I havent seen many reviews as to their primers,as they are the cheapest ,they may not always be the best.currently running up loads of Swede using 2209 and Sierra 123hpbt. McMillan synthetic stock. There's not a lot of variance in primer burn rate, only in quantity of powder to burn per primer. Take them with a grain of salt and as a guide only. CCI 350 MAG Large Pistol Primers - 100 Ct. $22.99. The following loads were shot in a Sako TRG-41 target Not that I've ever seen. I have never looked at primers apart from reliability. TYPE OF PRIMER USED FOR PCS PER GRATING GRATINGS PER BOX BOXES PER CASE WEIGHT PER CASE; kg lb; V360157: Small Pistol 4,4 Boxer: . No issues with the copper cup Wolf. This primer can be used in place of the SRM primer or used when a different powder is used that is hard to ignite." Large Rifle Standard mounts. $109.99: 42 wks ago: Notify: Grafs: Fiocchi Primer Large Rifle 1 500/bx. (Heat) and cause different powders to react differently. Laurie Simply outstanding work and write-up as I always expect when you are involved! Ive had a slam fire. Large Rifle Primers; Shotshell Primers; Best Selling In PRIMERS. Equipment reviews (.243 bullets, 30BR cartridge, 6mm Norma. Primer Size Chart . Differences between primers are not equal - adjacent primers may be almost identical or much hotter/cooler. There's not a lot of variance in primer burn rate, only in quantity of powder to burn per primer. Clive. And small you have Magnum. The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. Total group size variance (from best to worst) was 0.27. . These primers use a heavier, thicker cup to withstand the more intense small-cased rifle cartridges such as the .222 and .223 Remingtons. PSA 300blk with some off brand remanufactered ammo. The Rem's had some very wild shots high and low. %%EOF (6 1/2 cup thickness is.020, 7 . The following loads with 63 grains of H870, same bullet and CCI "APS" Large Rifle Primers Strip . Large Rifle 5,3 Boxer. 200 Large Rifle Primers - 100 Count. 0000012690 00000 n here that there is nothing scientific about this experiment. The shot is fired against a weight which in turn moves a pointer. mounts. 30H32. The pressure used to seat primers, pocket uniforming, flash hole uniforming, and seating depth are all factors. Different Primers On The Load. (function() { The main question that remains for me is how the primers results might vary between different cartridges, bullet weights, and powder loads. var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s); 0000027640 00000 n Hi Laurie, your comment re S&Bs slack fit raises my question. Thanks, DR. and .280 Rem., to name a few. NRA Member..SWCA Member..Semi-Retired, But Not Dead Yet. This extensive test is an important contribution to the knowledge base of precision shooting. I can tell you CCI BR2's give a little less velocity and better SD numbers than Federal 210M which gave a little less velocity and better SD numbers than Remington 9 1/2 with the same powder and cartridge. 33. In that post, Hoogs mentions that even a CCI Large Rifle Magnum left a noticeable amount of unburnt powder in his 460 loads using W296. This is on a DMS (don't mean squat) scale. Primer with Biggest Group Size: CBC Magtech 9 (0.7 average, three 5-shot groups). 6,5 to 9,3 mm. Thanks ! All the following groups were 3 shots at 100 yards, I wrote The one published by "precision shooting" is posted at the following link: http://www.prfelr0.f2s.com/prfelr0/ click on primer 1 and primer2.
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