The venerable .270 Winchester has been a mainstay on gun store racks, ammo displays and in reloaders cabinets for decades. It shoots a svelte .277-caliber 165-grain . During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. bullets. So, in open country, a fast 7mm has tremendous appeal. Read Next: 10 Great Guns That We Wish Were Still Being Made. The general consensus is that this old, belted magnum is the best caliber for elk hunting. Video of Elk Being Shot with .28 Noslerif(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_13',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0'); Nosler even advertises the .28 Nosler primarily as an elk cartridge. This takes us back to the launch. And suddenly, in 2020, were getting two of them. arrived in 1958 as a short magnum derived from the .375 H&H belted magnum case. Kevin Steele from Petersen's HUNTING speaks to Jordan Egli of Burris Optics about the all-new Veracity PH Riflescope. With modern loads the .45-70 has 200-yard capability, and no issues about hitting an elk hard enough. There are several more options if you purchase online or order your loads from a local store, but you should be aware that those who dont reload and purchase from local shops will likely not have many options. All good choices, except: Any rifle used for elk must wear a scope, because of low-light situations, and the need to find a hole through foliage. My impression is that traditionalists will stick with the good old .270 Winchester. Be the first to hear about our latest news and events. Thats good enough for 3,500 ft-lb muzzle punch. Im not suggesting that elk rifles should be four times more powerful than deer rifles, but elk are tough. I usually shoot 168 grain Nosler ABLR 160 grain Nosler AB bullets. Although there are more advanced and fancy bullet designs created more recently, most factory loads for the 28 Nosler focus on long range expansion, and Id prefer to have a Partitions deep penetration for elk. Ditto rifle size. Use enough gun, enough caliber, and enough cartridge and bullet to invite them to dinner. .284-inch bullet or a 180-gr. 1. At 800 yards the 28 Nosler carries just over 2000 ft lbs of energy. The old .270 Winchester has been hotly debated since 1925, yet it has been a favorite among thousands of elk pros. Mag., 27 Nosler, .277 SIG Fury. But not so much that youre afraid to shoot it. The included photo of the model/mock up of this case is close but not exact. Published Feb 26, 2020 3:21 PM EST. 27 Nosler ; 270 Weatherby Magnum; 270 Winchester; 270 Winchester Short Magnum; 28 Nosler; 280 Ackley Improved; . In comparison a 250-grain slug at 2,600 fps will churn up just 3,750 ft-lb. The Barnes penetrate . Zero both three inches high at 100 yards and at 400 yards they both drop 11.3 inches and deflect about 8.5 inches in that 10 mph breeze. My 28 Nosler launches the 162 Grain EL-DX's at 3,250 FPS. Shoot her.. Unless you want a new, longer range rig, then go for it! (Or you can just stalk closer and to heck with pushing the envelope. Follow along to see exactly how. Recoil isn't bad and it will lay out the ft/lbs of energy as ways. We have an embarrassment of choices in 7mms, and elk dont like any. will handle the .338 Win. If you like your hearing, on the other hand, shooting without a brake will kick hard. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. Yet, for those who enjoy hunting across the continent or the globe, the 27 Nosler makes a very flexible package that can handle deer and black in the forests, yet reach out across a canyon to handle a bull elk, or across the vastness of the tundra when in pursuit of caribou. | Mag. Weighing in at 7.8 pounds before optics and with an MSRP of $1985, the Premier Highlander is an excellent elk hunting rifle. Mag., .338 RUM, .338 Lapua Mag., and massive .338-378 Wby. I handled a sample Cross and it felt precise, tight, remarkably adjustable for fit, and impressively light at just 6.5 pounds, only about 1.5 pounds heavier than the ultralight mountain rifles Ive hunted with the past 30 years. I used a 7mm Rem Mag for years, great cartridge. The two old wildebeest bulls weighed about 315 pounds each, and a mature bull elk weighs approximately 650 pounds. During most of its 93 years of existence, the .270 Winchester has been quite popular among hunters, and for as long as I can remember, it has made the Top Five big-game cartridge list at RCBS, according to reloading die sales . But .300 Win. Okay, but minimal. The 7mm Rem Mag is certainly adequate for any elk, especially with heavier bullets. On the contrary, 150-180 grain bullets in 300 Win Mag can hold up to 1000 rounds. Let me confess that I, too, consider these best caliber articles overdone and quite subjective, but by hashing them over and over, we gain insights. If I can shoot the .28 Nosler without any issues, the vast majority of adult male shooters wont have any issues either. A natural question now is if other gun makers will chamber for the 27 Nosler and .277 SIG Fury. Elk/Moose Sized Game; 2500fps and 1600+ft-lb at same distance. Any rifle strong enough to contain the 7mm Rem. It throws a 150-grain bullet 3,300 fps from a 26-inch barrel, about 300 to 400 fps faster than the .270 Winchester, 200 fps faster than the .270 WSSM, and 100 fps quicker than the .270 Weatherby Magnum. Look at ammo cost to either buy or reload, whichever you do. bullet will carry about 250 ft-lb more energy. Bulls are bigger than cows; and mature, fully grown bulls are huge. Close or far, thick timber or wide-open, the .338 Win Mag is an elk cartridge! And I write calibers and cartridges because caliber means the diameter of the bore. The answer is higher allowed chamber pressure. Those are the two loads I keep seeing in my local Sportsmans Warehouse and Cabelas. Thats the key to each of these new .270 cartridges. .308-inch diameter bullet carrying 1,500 ft-lb energy and I doubt theyll notice any difference. The axis doe was at the head of herd, and DonDonwho despite his initial impressions made an excellent guidesimply nudged with his bristled chin and said Two-fifty. For deer and pronghorn, to much gun. The elk won't know that the bullet is .007" smaller than the .284". Then, the barrel life will be around 1500 rounds! Unless Sig Sauers new .277 SIG Fury is more your style. Its just too convenient and effective to go away. loads top out with 200-grain bullets, 210-, 220-, and 230-grain options are available. The new .270s (27 Nosler and 6.8 Western), with faster twists and bullets up to 175 grains change the game. could be chambered in the standard Model 70 rifles of the day and eventually most other standard length bolt action rifles. Not exactly modern, not sizzling, hot or sexy. Shooters who love the look of AR rifles with folding stocks, adjustable combs and LOP, barrel shrouds, etc. After all, this was the round Bell used to collect 800 elephants and untold numbers of Cape buffalo. From the post-World War II era . I think a .30-06 with 180-grain bullet offers about the same performance as a 7mm Remington Magnum with 175-grain bullet. Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. But based on the usage, grains, the barrel life could vary. ), Read Next: The Best New Guns, Ammo, and Hunting Gear from SHOT Show 2020, Nosler representatives couldnt tell me the B.C. Thats a very nice lightweight setup, without going to the extremes. A final consideration these days is availability of guns and ammo. Given that 1,500 ft-lb is considered elk power, both projectiles are golden. With the right bullets, it can actually hit harder than the 375 H&H Magnum at longer ranges. The 27 Nosler has a neck length of 0.328, so neck tension isnt an issue at all; generally speaking, the cartridges neck should be at least one caliber in length, and most are, with the glaring exception of the .300 Winchester Magnum. But, much to my chagrin, my guide was right and I was wrong. The energy number does not matter. Mag., and you understand why its not just the most popular .300 magnum of all time, but one of the best all-round elk calibers of all time. Recoil is stout, but substantially less than any magnum .30. Despite the age and reputation of the 6.555 Swede cartridge across Europe, the 26-calibers have never been a go to for elk in North America. But that has nothing to do with the actual performance of the .277 SIG Fury cartridge or rifle. The . 30 Nosler cases are preferred if forming 27 Nosler cases because of the similar shoulder dimension. And it has worked just find on elk, moose, even big brown bears, though most think it waaay too light for that. Nosler has introduced the 27 Nosler, a 27-caliber cartridge based on the fat .404 Jeffery case, same as the .30, .28, and .26 Noslers. It was and still is Everymans (and womans) 30 magnum. When Winchester came out with this modification of the .30-06 these was no other 27-caliber cartridge in the world. The .338/06 adds about 200 fps muzzle velocity for about two inches less drop at 300 yards and roughly 300 ft-lb more punch. Manufacturer #: 61237. If you hunt where the game is tough, the shots are long and demanding, and there is no room for compromise, there is no better choice than the 27 Nosler. Good bullet design and placement seem to work just fine. The 27 Nosler has 32% more case capacity than the .270 Winchester, 22% more than the .270 Winchester Short Magnum and 14% more than the .270 Weatherby. of .414 or so, the 210-gr. If recoil doesnt bother you, Id look hard at the .300 WSM, .325 WSM, even the new 6.8 Western, agonize over a 24-inch barrel, and probably compromise with a 23-inch barrel. Clearly that wont quite match the 27 Nosler, but thats not surprising because the .277 SIG Fury case is the same length and diameter as the .308 Winchester. Recoil is about 30-percent less than the .338 Win. Think Remington M700s, Savage M110s, Ruger M77s, and even the Browning Autoloading Rifle. Elk Hunter 338 Official LRH Sponsor. Not faster, not always more accurate, but designed around modern bulletswhich really do offer a long-range advantage. This short-fat, looking remarkably similar to the 6.8 Western, adds around 200 fps to the best Creedmoor speeds, and that lets you shoot the same bullets with less drop, less wind deflection, and more energy on target. It's extremely flat shooting and drops an incredible amount of energy on target. That bullet offers the best of all worlds, as it will reliably expand at longer ranges when it has slowed down a bit, yet will hold together at woods distances when velocities remain high; it is also respected as a very accurate bullet. I am thinking of bullet weight and higher B.C. To take advantage of the cartridge's MPBR (+/- 3"), sight-in the .28 Nosler 160 grain factory load to hit 2.39 inches high at 100 yards. Yes, the 7mm bullet flies better and can be pushed a bit faster, yet the .30-caliber bullet has more frontal area, dealing a harder initial blow. What the heck? Why I believe the actual on target energy is about the same as felt recoil. For over 90 years, American hunters have taken to the field in pursuit of nearly all the game the lower 48 states have to offer with a trusty 270 in hand. I also think extreme-range shooters with traditional to semi-traditional tastes will gravitate to the Nosler in a bolt-action rifle like the M48. Fully prepped, Nosler premium cartridge brass in 27 Nosler will be available in 25ct boxes. Because Winchester didnt insist on the caliber being proprietary, anyone could load and chamber for it. The .264 topped out at 140-grains. A traditional stock or adjustable? Mag. The 27 Nosler case has 42% more case capacity than the 270 Winchester, 25% more than the 270 WSM and 12.5% more than the 270 Weatherby. Itll only hit 2,400 fps or so with a 225-grain bullet, so the 200- and 210-grain slugs might be the better choice. It will require a 26-inch barrel to reach this speed, but that will make this a superior long range performer and the fastest .270 extant. Like the.350 Legend as an elk cartridge. The easier the terrain, the heavier the hunting rifle youll be able to tolerate. 6.5 Creedmoor. According to my notes, I've killed 27 elk with a 270. re: new 27 nosler vs 28 nosler Posted on 12/17/20 at 8:43 pm to kengel2. Once you start reaching out there, the 28 Nosler really shines. It has a near perfect balance of length, width, power, and recoil. 57.5 gr. Mag. After those stalwarts comes a blizzard of .30-calibers that claw their way up the power scale. With these two cartridges coming on line, our .270 selection has just grown from four members to six: 6.8mm Remington SPC, .270 Winchester, .270 WSM, and .270 Wby. The factory ammo and brass is cheaper for the 28 Nosler. Which begs the question: Why arent more bird hunters using them? In these scenarios, shots are likely to be close and fast, and a bugling bull is pumped with adrenaline. The size of elk also varies. One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7.2mm or 0.284" while the 300 Win Mag fires the more common 30-caliber or 0.308" diameter bullets. Over the decades, millions of deer, elk, sheep, bears and pronghorn have fallen to it, to grace the tables and walls of Americas hunters and add chapters to the American hunting lore. Thats not a typo. Yes, this is a short-action, small capacity case which demands we ask the obvious question: how can the little .277 SIG Fury shoot as fast from a 16-inch barrel as the larger .270 Winchester shoots from a 24-inch barrel? Before we begin, you should understand that this is a round up of the best calibers and cartridges for elk, not necessarily the most popular ones. I've also shot elk with my 338-06, 30-06AI, 30-06, 7mmRM, 284W, and in the last two years, three elk with a 243W. Nosler Trophy Grade Ammunition 27 Nosler 165 Grain AccuBond Long Range Box of 20. The 22, 26, 27, 28, 30, and 32 Noslers. If needed, 27 Nosler brass can be formed from 30 Nosler brass. We had set up in what I considered to be a less-than-advantageous position, a bit too skylined for my liking, and with very little cover. Weatherby came out with his .270 magnum fairly soon (about 20 years) after the .270 Winchester took off, but the next .277 shooter didnt pop until 2001 as the .270 Winchester Short Magnum. The SIG Furys is 80,000 psi. One of the main differences between the 26 Nosler vs 28 Nosler is velocity. The 27 Nosler, like its counterparts across the family of Nosler cartridges, has raised the performance bar when it comes to the .277. By this measurement, the .28 Nosler is one of the best elk cartridges for long range shooting. Hunting elk is hard work. The result is a standard setting offering from Nosler that redefines performance as radically now as the 270 Winchester did upon its introduction in 1925. Thats 1,000 psi less than the little .22/250 Remington. Second, since .30-caliber bullets must be even heavier to compete in the Ballistic Coefficient (BC) race, a magnum 7mm recoils significantly less than a magnum .30. You might want to grab yourself a 27 Nosler unless. . The right .30/06 load should add 100 fps velocity and 100 ft-lb energy. But in the chart it says it carries it to over 1200 yards. 28 Nosler is a one and done for everything on NA. Its been one of the best selling, popular all-round hunting cartridges in the U.S. Much of its appeal is reasonable recoil, fairly significant muzzle velocity in the 3,000 fps range, mid-sized bullet weights found to be ideal for taking deer-sized game and good enough for some larger stuff with good design and placement. Those are better trajectory numbers than many .338 Win. They dont start as fast but with better aerodynamics, theyll pass lighter slugs at mid-range, and hit way out there with more authority. Of the seven chamberings offered in the Premier Highlander, the 300 PRC, 300 Winchester Magnum, 7mm Magnum and 28 Nosler all are up to taking elk. Faster models like .270 Wby. A high B.C. The .30-06 is the most powerful cartridge ever adopted by a major military. Elk dont like any of this. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. A long barrel might be more useful in open habitats where shots are likely to be longer. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. I warned you this is a big family. Zeroed 3.3 inches high at 100 yards, that projectile will drop just two inches at 300 yards, deflect just five inches in a 10 mph right angle wind, and cling to 2,866 ft-lb energy. Many elk hunters consider the old .375 H&H the ultimate elk medicine, but not everyone cares to handle their recoil or the kind of rifle mass that tames it. Not everybody has embraced the rage for rangeand not all elk are found in open country. bear a closer comparison. Heavier bullets. Shot placement and bullet performance cause quick humane kills. I am pretty certain that your ballistic table is incorrect, the energy and velocity column are identical for 200-1,000 yards and the two columns are flipped for 1,200 and 1,500 yards. First, 7mm bullets tend to have better aerodynamics, so they will strut their stuff better at longer ranges. When hunting elk with a rifle, shooting distances vary widely depending on the topography and vegetation youre hunting. bullets, weight to weight, have a higher SD for potentially better penetration. Commissions are earned for links to Brownell's, Amazon, MidwayUSA, GoHunt, OpticsPlanet, Sportsman's Warehouse, and other retailers. Slide up to some of the new 190-gr. You are all set and go forth with complete confidence. The 225-grain load in an eight-pound rifle should generate about 40.8 ft-lb of recoil energy. may have inspired Winchester to bring out its marvelous .300 magnum the very next year. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Two of the newest entrants into this category, the .28 Nosler and the .300 PRC. Mag., some less. May 28, 2019 By Layne Simpson. bullets with B.C. They shoot flatter, but they kick me into next week. Although Ive been shooting all my life, I have to mentally check my shoulder mount before I pull the trigger. Although perhaps not an ideal extreme range cartridge, the .338 shoots surprisingly flat. Mag. The problem with the medium magnums (over .30 and less than .375): There are few to choose from, and only the .338 is genuinely popular with a robust selection of loads. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. How much will it cost? H4350 130 grain Barnes TSX 2980 fps in 22 inch barrel. The 28 Nosler and Remington Ultra Magnum adds about 250 fps to the Rem. Quite frankly I was surprised to get that velocity out of the 270 win. But elk stopping performance typically comes with a price: recoil. However, you should be aware that the recoil on a .28 Nosler is not right for all shooters. Backfire LLC owns and operates this website. Certainly no flies on the .270 but that would sway it to the 28 for me. The rimless case uses a 35-degree shoulder for headspacing, and maintains a 2.590-inch case length and 3.340-inch cartridge overall length. A high B.C. The .270s are similarly adequate for elkwith caution. throwing similar weight projectiles means youre packing elk medicine. Figure an 8-pound rifle spitting a 150-grain bullet slapping your shoulder with about 30- to 34 foot-pounds of energy at 16 fps. Quite a few elk have fallen from the 117hh in a wsm at . 180-gr. Question. Trm82 said: I have one getting chambered right now in 27 nosler . This review can help with that. He wasnt quite prepared for the recoil when the rifle was mounted on his shoulder over a puffy coat. My thoughts are this, the .25-calibers, limited to 120-grain bullets, are too light for bull elk. To contain 80,000 psi pressures SIG has built a reportedly beefy rifle. For general Big Game hunting, caliber and expected bullet performance is how I judge killing ability. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. The old 757 is itself a proven elk getter. So, Nosler, a company rooted in tradition but also with an eye to cutting-edge performance, has now turned its attention to the .277 caliber and brought the loading possibilities into the modern era with the introduction of the 27 Nosler. In both cases, the 163 grain ELD-X bullet did not exit the animals body and used all that energy inside the vitals. Mag., and no one howls about that being too fast. Watch videos, see the latest gear and more. Any rifles already chambering for any of the fatter magnums like the RUMs, Dakotas, or .338 Lapua should be fit to fit the 27 Nosler. If your chosen bullet fails to expand at 1,000 yards, its a poor choice, no matter the energy. Mag. And while most heavy .300 Win. 27 Nosler sets a new standard. retains the title of best balanced elk caliber in it. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. That increased capacity, coupled with modern powders, allows the 27 Nosler to drive bullets faster and flatter than ever before. That 165-grain ABLR has a G1 BC of 0.620, offering great performance in even the windiest of conditions, as well as retaining energy and delivering a flat trajectory. The old .270 Winchester has been hotly debated since 1925, yet it has been a favorite among thousands of elk pros. Well, bullet weight, perhaps? bullets coming soon like the 165-grain AccuBond Long Range just announced and the 170-grain Berger EOL Elite Hunter (G1 B.C. In the article it states that the 28 Nosler carries 1500 ft lbs tot 747 yards. That said, dozens, nay hundreds of elk are layed low each fall by careful application of the 6.5 Creedmoor, a near ballistictwin of the Swede. 28 Nosler is a one and done for everything on NA. No matter 27 or 28 caliber. Id go the 27 Nosler, the 270 WSM is awesome. Jan 29, 2023 #1 need several 100 pieces of 27 nosler brass brand new in box . Traditional .270s are limited by 1:10 rifling twist to 150-grain bullets. 28 Nosler/160 AB is a great elk combination. 28. Ditto the .416s, 44s, and 45s. Will the 27 Nosler shove the .270 Winchester out of the limelight? I could go for one of the several faster .33s, but Ive tried most of them. This is the unfortunate trade off. While there are some drawbacks to this cartridge for elk hunting, in general its one of the best rounds on the market. The 7 WSM and 7 SAUM just about match it in handier short action rifles. Learn More . (Photo: Kristin Alberts/Guns.com) Synonymous with quality hunting ammunition, Nosler shakes things up in the .270 world introducing a new caliber - the 27 . Mag. The 27 Nosler has a long leade for sleek, high BC, long ogive, ABLR and RDF style bullets. I did not determine the rifling twist rate of the Cross Rifle, but Im guessing it will be faster than the traditional 1-10 inches of the .270 Winchester. There is a persistent myth flying about that the 7mm Rem Mag shoots too fast. Many claim its bullets dont have time to open. Its a bolt action looking quite a bit like an AR-15. Mag. But times change. Product #: 503034. It was a 270 wby built on a Fierce Rival long action with a 27 " 1-8 twist benchmark.